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RatCreature ([personal profile] ratcreature) wrote2012-01-14 06:32 pm
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random curiosity

I've been wondering about epicanthic folds after reading once again a line in an eye tutorial that they appear only on Asian eyes. I know that is not true, because my own eye corners have such a skin fold, though not an extreme one (here's a closeup photo of my own eyes, you can see the small folds on the inner corners). I realize they aren't *that* common with Caucasian eyes (a couple of times I was even teased as a kid), but obviously they happen as normal variation (and not just with genetic diseases).

Poll #9098 non-conformist eyes
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What are your eye corners like?

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my eyes have such epicanthic folds without any Asian ancestry
9 (33.3%)

my eyes look like expected (i.e. no folds, or folds only with the right kind of ethnicities)
18 (66.7%)

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[personal profile] petra 2012-01-14 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
My stepfather and his mother, both as far as anyone knows of thoroughly English descent, both have them.
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[personal profile] laurajv 2012-01-14 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
To qualify my answer: it was much more noticeable when I was a child (it is VERY noticeable in toddler-age pics of me) but became less noticeable, but still present, as my nose grew from kid-button to its adult shape. The fold got kind of...pulled up out of the corner a bit by the bridge of my nose increasing in prominence, but (for example) my Italian-Irish ancestry husband hasn't got any kind of fold there at all. Neither of our children have the folds.

Also, I probably do have (non-recent) Asian ancestry: my paternal grandfather's family was from Poland, and like many places in eastern Europe, there's a good bit of Mongol ancestry floating around in Poland. Most of his same-gen and my-mother's-gen relatives are 100% Polish ancestry, and a lot of them have marked epicanthic folds and other facial features that make them look sort-of Asian.
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[personal profile] parhelion 2012-01-14 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I have 'em, but I have Native American blood so it wasn't all that surprising.
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[personal profile] busaikko 2012-01-15 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
I have none, and as far as I can tell neither of my half-Japanese children do.
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[personal profile] kiratael 2012-01-15 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Probably about a third of my students here in Japan don't.
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[personal profile] busaikko 2012-01-15 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
*subscribes to you* Hi!
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[personal profile] kiratael 2012-01-15 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Hi! Uh, I post on Dreamwidth about once a year...so maybe I should get on cross-posting...
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[personal profile] busaikko 2012-01-15 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
No worries! I live in Kinki, and I love finding other people here in Japan.
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[personal profile] kiratael 2012-01-15 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
I live up in Hokkaido - in the bit that gets the warmest winters...except that there's all this snow.
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[personal profile] busaikko 2012-01-15 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Awesome! I miss snow. We get maaybe five centimeters a year down here on a good year, nothing some years. (And we have a spare bed if you ever want to come on down *g*)
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[personal profile] kiratael 2012-01-15 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'll add to the weirdness - I only have the fold over my left eye and my ancestry's all Irish-German, as far as we can tell. My first cousin's daughter has one over her right eye. My maternal grandmother had folds over both and she's Irish as far back as we can trace (1820s).
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2012-01-15 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I have them and so did my grandmother - she would tease me for my "chinky eyes". She was of all-Scottish descent, I'm Scottish/Irish/English.

ETA: I should say, the folds are supposed to help reduce glare from snow or at high altitude, so maybe it's not so weird that other ethnic groups have them too.
Edited 2012-01-15 01:03 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2012-01-15 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Google epicanthic fold snow glare to see a lot of results! Apparently the shallower shape of the eye and the pad of skin has a protective effect against glare and also against snow and/or sand getting in your eyes.

[personal profile] maire 2012-01-15 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
My eyes look like expected, but my partner has definite epicanthic folds. He has one great-grandmother whose racial identity is unknown, but his mother and grandmother didn't look particularly Asian.