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ratcreature) wrote2005-12-15 04:13 pm
ratcreature) wrote2005-12-15 04:13 pm
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about Supernatural fanfic...
I'm not feeling particularly fannish about Supernatural, but I have watched most episodes, thus while I was bored I looked around for Supernatural fanfic to read. I was mostly interested in gen, and while of course I knew that there's Sam/Dean slash I was actually surprised how common it is, from my first impressions even more widespread than gen (though I could be wrong about that). And I just don't get it. Personally I just have a hard time seeing Sam/Dean slash.
It's not that I'm particularly squicked by sibling incest, but the story has to somehow work harder to make that kind of thing work than other pairings. Not only because it has to make me buy that they would act on a sexual attraction despite incest taboos, that is similar in a way to other "relationship obstacles" in romance stories, but because it has to make me buy that there would be attraction in the first place. With most pairings I can buy that the author simply has a character feel attraction, inappropriate or not, and then the story goes from there, but for me (and I suspect most people) thinking about close family members with whom you grew up with, like your own siblings or parents and sex together is, well, sort of icky. Not just incestuous sex, but even the fact that your sibling or parent has sex with anyone, that's the kind of thing you don't want to contemplate in much detail. At least I don't, and I suspect I'm not alone in that.
I tried reading a couple of Sam/Dean stories, but they seemed to be much like regular slash in the way that it assumes that the reader buys the possibility for attraction between the guys in the first place. I don't quite get what makes this plausible for Sam/Dean shippers just from watching the series, and yet it seems very common. Which leaves me puzzled. I looked whether there was an essay on this pairing at![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
ship_manifesto to provide me with some insight, but there doesn't seem to be one yet. So does anyone know of any Supernatural meta that would explain to me where the Sam/Dean shippers are coming from?
It's not that I'm particularly squicked by sibling incest, but the story has to somehow work harder to make that kind of thing work than other pairings. Not only because it has to make me buy that they would act on a sexual attraction despite incest taboos, that is similar in a way to other "relationship obstacles" in romance stories, but because it has to make me buy that there would be attraction in the first place. With most pairings I can buy that the author simply has a character feel attraction, inappropriate or not, and then the story goes from there, but for me (and I suspect most people) thinking about close family members with whom you grew up with, like your own siblings or parents and sex together is, well, sort of icky. Not just incestuous sex, but even the fact that your sibling or parent has sex with anyone, that's the kind of thing you don't want to contemplate in much detail. At least I don't, and I suspect I'm not alone in that.
I tried reading a couple of Sam/Dean stories, but they seemed to be much like regular slash in the way that it assumes that the reader buys the possibility for attraction between the guys in the first place. I don't quite get what makes this plausible for Sam/Dean shippers just from watching the series, and yet it seems very common. Which leaves me puzzled. I looked whether there was an essay on this pairing at
ship_manifesto to provide me with some insight, but there doesn't seem to be one yet. So does anyone know of any Supernatural meta that would explain to me where the Sam/Dean shippers are coming from?
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But thank you!
This:
To me it's like Lex and Clark. I wasn't into Lex and Clark and to me it was never about the chemistry. It was about the fact that the story just didn't make any sense. It just didn't make any sense that Lex comes, declares Clark his friend after knowing him for a day, wants to give him a car and movie tickets and fireworks...
Same on Prison Break. What brother A does for Brother B is just not normal. Not even for siblings. There has to be more to the story. The "more" can be anything, slash or not. But for my definition of it, I crave *something* there. Something deeper, something meaningful.
Totally works for me. It's, well, part of the philosophy behind most of my Batverse pairings of choice, really. And plenty of the ones I don't like, but still 'see.'
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LOL, it's not our fault! It's an actor thing!
(It does amuse me that the current OTP flavour of the month are two characters who have never actually met in canon and quite potentially might never do so; the fambulously gay pedophile and Brother 2's 16 year old son on the outside; but yeah, we are a bit crazy that way [besides the fandom is kinda small and recluded that way; it seems to bread a certain kind of insanity. But so far I still enjoy that)
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I have never watched the show, but you make Prison Break sound disturbing. A pedophile paired with a teenager as an *OTP*? How does the OTP-inherent potential for "happily ever after" work with that one?!? I guess you could expand OTP to that characters are "right" for each other in mutual dysfunction, but even so... The obvious, if cynical obstacle to that OTP would be that if the first character is a true pedophile the almost grown teenager wouldn't work for him as a partner for long....
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Considering that I never liked "Happily Ever After" the term "OTP" also never implies it to me. But rather means the relationship I consider the most interesting (and/or potentially most poignant).
For the record, I don't really consider the pedophile/teenager pairing my OTP. I just found it interesting that there lately has been quite a rise in stories about them. I'm guessing at least partly due to the fact that both the teenager and the evil White Supremacist are fan favourites. (again picture the evil snarky pedophile more along the lines of a Spike or Alex Krycek. Only, well, more evil)
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Also note that Prison Break actually carries a lot of gen writing, only that if you write gen about a homosexual predator, there is bound to be some sexual element to it.
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Heh, not just you....
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Also it helps that the main character has even Fox Mulder beat in sheer emo-angsting. I'm starting to believe they have some sort of contract clause that he has to cry his eyes out every second episode.
Plus it has Peter Stomare (aka Satan from Constantine aka quirky Russian guy from Armageddon aka Blonde from Fargo) and he pretty much brings the HoYay! wherever he walks.
For the record I'm still not recommending it because deep down I know it's bad and if you watched it you would mock it and it would break my wittle heart!
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ROTFLOL
Your visual aid *does* make a good case for the HoYay! though.
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And while I like brothercest pairings, I appreciate that the show has a variety of pairings that work. Such as Michael and his faithful puppy dog Puerto Rican cellmate (who openly joke about how often they "hang the sheet" and who generally behave like an old married couple), Michael and said pedophile who tried to make him his bitch in the second episode and hates him since he believes that Michael killed his favorite prison bitch, said pedophile and the ruthless mobster leader who have this whole "I'll kill you - No, I'll kill you first" kind of animosity thing going on. So, I like having more than one couple that potentially hits my kinks and that I can oogle.
Like:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/zsuness/122341.html#cutid1
http://www.livejournal.com/users/zsuness/117793.html#cutid1
http://www.livejournal.com/users/zsuness/124141.html#cutid1